FR starting hand chart??
 

Hi, I´m starting playing at Party Poker and there´s only Full Ring at micro limits, does anybody knows or can provide me the starting hands you use?

Or just say here the way you play pre flop with hands and position?

TYVM!

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Read the FAQ. Top of the main page

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sorry, didn´t find =/ there´s only "..." help me please... I´m lost!

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Actually the FAQ fails to provide this information fwiw.

Can anyone comment on this? I play 10nl, almost rolled for 25nl.



From UTG raise AQs+ and TT+ limp >PP

From MP KQs+ raise any PP when 1st in.

From CO Axs+ and suited connectors above 45.

From button Ax+, Kxs+ (maybe) or anything decent if the blinds are 10/2 nits.


These ranges assume the play has folded to you and you are first to act. When a decent player raises from UTG and you are in MP with KQ just dump it.

As a beginner I would shy away from being too loose in late position until you are decent at post-flop play.

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Look in NLHE TAP.

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I would experiment with raising with different ranges in different positions, rather than having a specific set of guidelines for raising preflop. Naturally for complete n00bs this would help, but past the really basic ranges, charts are pretty useless.

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OP - Don't know if this exactly what your looking for, but here is a link that might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_h...starting_hands

About 2/3 of the way down the page is a table for NL.

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No chart, but along the lines of what bjorn said here is MY general outline:

UTG: AQs+, KQs, 22+ (may be a leak, but I generally raise all PP's when UTG)
MP: AQs+, AJo, KQ+, JTs+, 22+
CO/Button: AT+, 22+, SC's 65s+, PP's, most broadways, some suited one gappers, kinda depends on blinds tendencies, # of limpers, etc.

3 bet with JJ+, AK, and then add a some to that range depending on:
1) Position of 1st raiser (example I 3bet an UTG raise tighter than I 3 bet a MP or LP raise)
2) Reads/Stats of raiser (3bet to isolate weak or loose players with a wider range when you have good relative position)

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About what is described above, but you can adjust to the table quite easily. In a table full of loose-passive players, you can play more marginal big card hands in earlier positions than normal. Hands like AJo go up in value a lot if plenty of players will call (and pay you off) with Ax. If the table is somewhat more aggressive you should fold such hands because you pretty much have to fold to a reasonable 3-bet being out of position. If the table has many good, observant players (not that you should be playing at such a table, but perhaps you'll be playing higher stakes sometime) you want to loosen up a little again in EP, in order to make it harder for opponents to put you on a hand postflop and to get more action for your big hands.

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Yeah, it's not in the FAQ (maybe this thread will be if it gets good), it's been on my "to do" list for a while but the real reason there's no chart is that putting one really does a disservice to beginning players. It's a lot more complicated than just a simple chart.

In no limit hold'em, postflop play is way more important than preflop play. And your preflop play should be flexible and change to suit table conditions. If there's a hand chart posted in the FAQ, people are going to play that chart slavishly and not think or adjust as they should.

Ideally, your hand chart should be, "Play tight up front, play looser with position. Stay aggressive." The particulars are far less important and depend more on your skill and table conditions. If you're much better than your opponents postflop, you should pay a much wider range of hands. If you basically suck and you're barely better than the droolers then tightening up is a better idea. Either way, you want to adjust your play to the table. If it's tight, run then over. If it's loose, value bet them to death. If it's aggro, trap them.

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notedpokerauthority.com, 2p2 author Ed Miller's site, has a lengthy series of articles on starting hands and how to play them.

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Id say this is fine as "training wheels" for 10NL beginners.
I would add this -

Be very wary of calling raises with SCs, broadways,Axs (or even PPs)
In general you want to have at least some of the following
- Position
- Deep stacks
- Reads on opponents
- Multiway callers

Each situation is unique but I think that its safe to say that calling raises to "hit to win" is overrated especially Heads Up or Out Of Position..

These hands play well when you limp behind limpers with position and deep stacks. The next stage would be to start raising limpers (in position) with these hands but if your a beginner maybe leave that until you are confident enough.

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My basic rule of thumb for playing a hand preflop is that I have to have some Idea of what kind of hand I want to make (what's going to make money) and then how to play that hand post flop. Position, stack sizes, opponents tendencies, pot odds and implied odds are all more important concepts to know and learn than what exact hands to play in what position. Or more to the point, knowing these other concepts will give you the knowledge of what hands you want to play.

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We really would need at least two charts to get things to be fair and both charts would require explanation that would range in the 1500-2000 word range and that still wouldn't be enough.

I think that the biggest mistake many people make is playing too often OOP. If you keep your EP range to something like 22+/AK then you are off to a good start. You can add a hand or two as you become more in tune with things.

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I'm also struggling with starting hands, as I am often in situations where I have a fairly strong hand out of position and I have no idea what to do with it. Before reading this, it never even occurred to me that I should consider who I am playing against in the hand and their tendencies when making a decision pre-flop. Just wanted to say that this is probably the best thing on pf hand selection I have ever read.

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I've been looking all over for this. Just lost $50 on nl5 playing online. This could save me some trouble and money. thanks!

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Pocket Pair.

As a starting player, you want to play hands that are easy to figure out where you are after the flop. I don't think anyone should be playing cash full stacked just starting out in poker. Limit will teach you a lot of things that you can then apply to NL. If limit bores you, then playing tournaments are a good way to get started. If you just have to play NL cash, then start by short stacking (Buy in (BI) for no more than 20 times the big blind (BB) (20BB)).

If you do this, your game is going to be limited to medium to high pairs (66-AA) and big cards (AK, AQ). It simply becomes a matter of raising pre-flop (PF) if no one is in, calling if there is one raise and betting if you have TP or better on the flop.

After this, a noob can start increasing their BI to about 60BB and start increasing the number of hands they play (smaller pairs to play for sets or set mining) and raising with hands clustered around Aces and Kings in late position (the button and the position before the button, or cut off (CO)). This still leaves most hands where you will know pretty clearly if you are ahead or behind.

After that, it is going to take a lot more study, which is going to cause the revelation that starting hand is just one factor of many other factors in the game, and not necessarily the most important one.

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This is one of the main things I was missing when I first started out. A lot of people seem to be against a set in stone 'guide' or 'chart', but it's totally invaluable to a beginner. It took me a few buy ins before I found a decent guide for pre flop play and my assumptions and guesses as to starting hand selection were way off, which caused me to lose a lot of money. Just knowing what to play PF, generally, gives tons of help to totally new players.

Of course when you get into the nuances of a table or any of the other 50 factors there is PF it's much more complicated, but starting guidelines for a beginner is a must I think. I got myself into so much trouble with stuff like A8s UTG+1 or calling 3bets with QJ, before I knew what a 3bet was. Having a guideline pre flop really helps you get a more black and white picture post flop, which I find gets you into the most trouble.

Of course for general poker knowledge stuff like Harrington on Hold 'em is a must, it also has a great chapter on starting hands. I just finished reading it my 3rd time through (consecutively) and the results are already showing. Harrington on Cash Games 1/2 just arrived in the mail too :D

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Thanks for the advice, I being new to this started playing the .50/1NL and was up for awhile then had lost more than a couple of hundreds of dollars in a day or so. I'm going back to NL10 until I know what I'm doing. I'm reading a couple of books

Winning Low Limit Hold'Em Jones
No Limit Hold 'em: Theory and Practice by David Sklansky and Ed Miller
Sit'n go Strategy Moshman

simultaneously but it seems a bit hard to understand for the ultra newbie like me.

These guide and several other newbie guildes gets me going in the right direction. Another thing is when playing nl10, I'm putting too much importance on the $ amount instead of the $ amount compared to the blinds. I find myself betting alot more than 3 Big blinds when the situation calls for me because 3 big blinds is still less than a dollar.

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They are all worthy books, but they really aren't the best for NL cash games IMO. See the FAQs for the consensus picks. Of the 3 you are reading, Jones is the least applicable and Sklansky and Miller is the most. However, if you were playing limit, Jones is my #1 suggestion for a new player.

I also suggest picking just one book to follow at first. It is better to understand how that author suggests playing thoroughly than to try to merge several concepts that are in potential contradiction with each other incompletely. Once you have a framework within to work, then you can start reading others for ideas on how to tweak your game to suit you. If you don't like the style (I'm not sure I could ever play like Ted Forrest, for example), pick something else.

Finally, re-read the book continually once you gather some experience. Some statements that at first you didn't think were that critical become more understandable and important once you have been in that situation a few times.

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Thank you, I just lost my whole bankroll ($600) at stars at the NL5, NL10, NL .5/1 tables. Good thing I'm cleaning up at the local casinos. The way you describe here is the way I will play until I get some experience under my belt.

Any recommended readings for ultra newbs like me?

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one of the great things about 2+2 is that it has a "Books and Publications" forum. I highly recommend it.

in fact, this thread might be a great place to get an answer:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...ner-nl-380124/

-todd

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When you talk about big cards, are you using those two as an example or would cards like KQ not be included. Where would the cutoff be?

How many time BB would you bet? 2x, or 3x?

I'm thinking you want to steal blinds and keep people from staying in the hand, right?

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Raise 4X the BB. KQs is fine, KQ, not so much.

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Phil Gordon's little green book has a starting hand table in the back that suits pretty well for this. It also takes into account position.